one was the healthcare and foreign paul is a maybe because i'm writing right now about a president bringing a country into a war it didn't need. i think in a way president obama is winding down wars. >> rose: that's one of the things in the atmosphere about him. jon meacham, three presidents that you know well now, andrew jackson, thomas jefferson and george bush 41. how do you assess the first term of barack obama. >> i think if president obama had somehow lost in november, he would have a very strong historical hand to play. because the prevention of more economic disaster in 2009 is something that is not fully people who are suffering, historian like that kind of thing. you could have an assessment of how he had done and he had done pretty well in doing that. and i think that that great historian, the gibbin of our time joe by i put it correctly when he said osama bin laden is dead and detroit is alive. it's been a difficult four years i agree with bob on health insurance. it's pretty good four years. at some point maybe to you charlie obama said if i'm a one term president i'd rather ge